the only way to file right away and it was something that was made by a company called leefax out of boston, some guys from and they were making scanning equipment to digitize negatives and take it back to wherever the printing presses were. but at any rate, john literally put on something that locked like a -- looked like scuba diving gear on his back. i kid you not. it was that big. it was a huge backpack and had a cable running into the camera. he transmitted that back to news day and made the paper and it was noisy as hell. it was a very grainy image, very messy image. it was not anything that you would see from film. but at any rate, that is the kind of stuff that people were dealing with 25 years ago. and when digital cameras first came out, i was one of the last who wanted one. >> exactly, i remember. >> because, because, because the images were very noisy, the cameras were very heavy, they big and objetrusivobtrusive. but today you look at what we are using now, michelle has a bigger camera which is probably of a norm, but this is a digital camera here and it will make a file probab